.Adalbert I comte de Vermandois. cf: dessous Albert I (Adalbert I) the Pious - Ct of Beaune and Vermandois(943-8.9.987/988)
1. Herbert III - Ct of Vermandois(987-1000 or ?-995/1002) and Beaune mort en 1000 epouse: Ermengarde
2. Guy I (Guido I) - Ct of Soissons(ca.979-ca.989 Marriage/Union : Adelheid de Soissons See his alternative ancestry -- as son of Herbert III - Ct of Vermandois(?-995/1002) and Beaune.
3. Liudolf (Ludolf) * c.957 + v.986 - Bp of Noyon See also Landulf - Bp of Noyon [son of Herbert III - Ct of Vermandois(?-995/1002) and Beaune]
4. Otton(Eudo) de Vermandois - Ct of Chiny See his alternative ancestry -- as son of Arnold I, Ct of Chiny [see House d"Orleans-d"Angouleme-de Perigord
5. Gisela (Gisla) de Vermandois Born about 950 Allied about 970 to Arnold Vermandois
6. Welf I - Ct of Altdorf See also Etichonid/House of Welf
1.1. Herbert IV Born after 977- Ct of Vermandois Allied to Ermengarde DE WOEVRE ca 970-1035
1.2. Adalbert II. mort en 1035 Albert II (Adalbert II) - Ct of Vermandois(?-1.2.1014/1015/1035 or 1000-1010 and 1015-1021) epouse: Emme
1.3. Eudes I (Otho,Otto) - Ct of Vermandois(?-25.5.1043/45 or 1010-1015 and 1021-1045) Otton comte de Vermandois.epouse: Pavie. morte en 1045
1.4. Gui See his alternative ancestry -- as son of Albert I the Pious - Ct of Beaune and Vermandois(?-8.9.987/988). epouse: Adelaide comtesse de Soissons fille de Gilles comte de Soissons
1.5. Landulf eveque de Noyon Landulf - Bp of Noyon See also Liudolf (Ludolf) - Bp of Noyon [son of Albert I the Pious - Ct of Beaune and Vermandois(?-8.9.987/988)]
1.6. Emma (Gerberge)Born about 981
2.1.Renaud I - Ct of Soissons, Vcte of Troyes(?-1057)See his alternative ancestry - as son of Nocher II - Ct of Bar-sur-Aube and and Soissons(?-after 1019) [may be error: Nocher II was his son-in-law]
2.2. Aelis (AdelaideDied after 1019.Allied to Nocher II of Bar-sur-Aube, Count +1019
6.1. Judith Welf von Altorf X (Judith X) (Judith Welf Von Altorf...) Born about 805
6.2. Hemma = Emma, Welfin X (Hemma X) (Hemma = Emma, Welfin...) Died on January 31, 876
1.3.1. Eudes de Vermandois (de Ham)b.ABT 1030 потомки
1.3.2. Herbert V (IV) - Ct of Vermandois(H.IV:1045-1080), Vexin and Valois(?-ca.1080) epouse: Hildebrande ou Adele dame de Valois fille de Robert III seigneur de Valois потомки
1.3.3. Peter de Vermandois Born in 1032
1.4.1. Renaud I. mort en 1057 epouse: Adelaide de Roucy
2.1.1. Gui (Guido) II b.AFT 1000 - Ct of Soissons(?-ca.1057
2.1.2. Adelaide(Aelis) - heiress of Troyes and Soissons oo Wilhelm I. von Hiesmois Graf von Eu (Haus NORMANDIE) oo Ives I. Seigneur de Nesle ooNocher II of Bar-sur-Aube, Count +1019/,
1.4.1.1. Adelaide epouse: Guillaume comte d"Yesmes. mort en 1099
1.4.1.2. Gui. mort en 1057